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Considering that this section is mostly used for people to find Narakkalli or other PvE alliances it might be wiser to change the area and its labels in the thread creation.
Anyway I noticed that quite a few people tried to find a party here and hope that they're taken into consideration. While reading those threads I figured that I probably wouldn't contact most of them if I wanted to find party members. No matter if it's here, ingame or on social media there are things you have to keep in mind if you want to be successful.
Therefore it will be up to you as well to either watch out for certain things or sometimes keep wondering why no contacts you.

1. Complete information
Even if the person who looks for someone describes it or asks for something lots of people tend to ignore it. I've been leading quite a few parties over the years and nothing is more annoying than people who obviously didn't bother to read in the first place or simply forget the most common information in their approach.
Nowadays you're often asked for these things:

• faction: here on the forum you can even select your faction, but no matter where it is [unless it's ingame] you should state that you're either Elyos or Asmodian
  
• general information: level, class and server should be included at least. Though the server isn't that important, a minimum of information is common sense in my opinion. The name can be told as well (or added to the profile here in forum), but I can understand as well that you may only tell them this by PM.
  
• gear & stats: You're hardly asked to post your gear anymore, but it's wise to mention your stats if you're not asked for PvERanks only (or don't have a profile yet). While physical classes are fine with mentioning attack, crit (and eventually PvE atk <- might make sense, but you're not asked about it in general), magical classes should mention their magic boost and crit spell (and eventually PvE atk or even mag. accuracy in case of Holy Tower). Healers often mention their defensive stats such as HP (in my opinion this is outdated, but if you're new and only have such gear you may as well mention it). No matter what it's wise to add either "buffed" (permanent selfbuffs + scrolls + food + idian + minion) or "unbuffed" if you mention your stats. Some people even add their concrete gear (aion.mouseclic.com/tool/gearcalc/), but in general no one will ask for this.
  
• PvERanks: Nowadays (in the age of cross-server PvE..) lots of people ask for your PvE Ranks profile or write something like "check on PvE ranks" in their cross server shouts. They are referring to this website: aionpveranks.com/ There you can search your name, copy the link to the profile and put it in your post. If you don't want other people to find out your name right away you can as well state that you'll send them the link on demand. Ingame you'll have to be prepared that people will check it if you apply for any group. Therefore it's wise to add files yourself, ask your friends if they have a dpsmeter (either ARM or AiDPS) - especially if you notice that all your files are outdated and/or don't represent your actual level of skill. It doesn't matter if some of your files are bad/unfavourable. It's more important to demonstrate that you a) have experience in certain instances b) that you have the ability to improve c) that you're a valuable addition to any group.
  

2. General behaviour

Stats and ranks aside it's your behaviour that's important. Of course it's good to show that you can follow advices, show up on time, know your class to some extend and even know the instance well, but there's more to it. Even if some of these things already don't apply to you anyway, because you're new...

• if someone asks you: In the past people often tended not to answer questions, don't understand simple questions etc. I can assure you that anyone who states something like "I don't need to answer that, I'm so cool" will not join any group anytime soon. Your choice of words shows how reliable someone is. While it's not necessary to be perfect in English or showing off with your orthography it's still important to demonstrate that you a) understand something (people not answering though they were called, whispered etc either show off their ignorance or their level of English) and b) accepted the fact that this isn't your group. No matter if you're a showoff or own 56756877 cars - it's someone else's group and unless it's absolutely necessary you should avoid stupid discussions, but accept things as long as they aren't completely unreasonable (and yes, I certainly tend to discuss too).
  
• if you're new: No one loves the newbies, but everyone hates the newbies that state that they already know everything though they don't. If you want to show your interest you find out about things before you go anywhere (guides, forum, youtube etc). No matter what level of knowledge you have though: Ask if you're not clear about things. Most people explain things anyway and won't hold a grudge either (if you're honest).
  
• your 67684566 friends: I often read these posts that state "me, the ultimate Roxxor, wants to join with my 67868 friends". It doesn't matter how great you are if your friends are faceless baggage and there's nothing known about them at all (except for class and level eventually). Most people can't compensate for people who have absolutely no power of their own (or even sabotage the group in some way). Therefore in most cases, especially if you want to be accepted by strangers it's still the case that everything they want to know about you as well goes for your friends (as well as they won't care that your friend is a bard if they only require a cleric).
  
• think about questions before you ask: You know these outdated posts and someone - after a week - comes into the thread and says "I can join"? This isn't helpful if you want a good reputation. Always read the entire post before you ask obvious questions. Even if it's boring. It's boring for everyone to answer these sort of questions, believe me.
  
• being clingy: There're lots of people who went with someone once or twice and suddenly idle on their Teamspeak/Discord, keep asking when they can join, that they absolutely want to join your group etc... These people are annoying. Sometimes it might be the case that someone gets along with another very well right away, but it's not like that in most cases and for alliances group leaders prefer those who show up when they were asked to show up. Not those who keep on showing up though nobody needs them currently. Behaviour like that reduces your value as a player (and ruins your reputation), so please refrain from it.
  
• apply according to a search: As mentioned in the paragraph about friends it's recommended to apply according to a shout. E.g. applying as a templar if they look for a cleric isn't helpful (or just plain annoying). Same goes for groups that are obviously not looking for anyone after all. Even if I were to need someone suddenly I wouldn't take people into consideration that applied wrongly before. What you can do is applying for unreasonable level expectations. No one has to take "Library 73+" serious. Seriously.
  

The rules in PvP aren't that different though other stats and skills might be more important.

Though I'm aware that most people might not read it anyway I hope that some others may stop wondering. Eventually.


Example:

I'm a level 75 gladiator on Loki looking for a group for Narakkalli NM. So far I've gained experience in EM already while watching helpful videos to increase my knowledge about the NM mechanics. I'm a quick learner etc blabla...

My stats are: DualWield: 1700 Attack | 1400 Crit (buffed)
PvE ranks profile: XXX

Unfortunetly I only have time on Sundays (all days).

Please contact me by blabla...

Additions:

• as a gladiator mentioning the weapon is a good idea (though if you're a pole user don't bother setting up a thread anyway)
  
• no matter how many weapons you wield: Mentioning the main hand stats is enough!
  
• state when you have time
  
• how they can contact you
  
• reasons why you're a good addition to a group
  
• experience
  

Of course you might not be necessarily taken into consideration after all. Often it's best to apply to an existing group if it looks for people or just apply ingame. Good luck anyway

I'd say applying for a job requires more text. Though I dunno if you ever played other MMOs - compared to some of those this might be nothing.

Didn't know that people applied for guilds in Aion. Anyway, I simply referred to the facts, not to what should been done. Lots of people that refer to Pveranks don't know how to interpret these files. But no one spends too much time checking it in a sudden situation. So you can either gather up a lot of files that even out worse files. My personal em files are horrible as well due to performance issues, slow groups, full change tactics, setup etc. It never mattered so far though.

I don't know about others but I doubt that most people who recruit others want thaaaat much dps.

This isn't about legions anyway and I haven't been in an active legion for the past 4 years either.


Well let's compare what stuff you can use to judge a person regarding PvE in Aion:

• stats (you don't know if it's true)
  
• gear (you don't know if it's true and you don't know the rest if you only ask for the weapon)
  
• experience (you already know the person which is unlikely cross-server unless they're famous in PvP or something)
  
• level (you might be able to guess that most lvl 72 ppl won't be that great in a lvl 75 instance, but what about the rest?)
  
• PvE Ranks
  
• legion (only applies on the same server anyway)
  

If you study PvEranks properly and take time, gear, deaths, tactics, buffs/debuffs etc into account (and check especially the rotation) it's the most accurate indicator after all compared to the rest (well except for knowing someone eventually, but this doesn't apply necessarily cross-server unless you're well-known). And you can actually determine if someone isn't that strong yet because of the gear or because he doesn't know his class well yet.

In my personal opinion trying to achieve the highest dps in PvE became useless with the recent gear standards and the time it takes for a boss to die, but this thread isn't about this anyway.


Certainly you could as well state that "nothing is reliable" and hope that the stars will show you the way. Maybe you're good at it, dunno.

this is a subforum where you look for groups, just like you do on FB or elsewhere. This thread isn't about legions, therefore I'm not sure why you compare it to legions.
Especially since probably no one of us ever wrote a text to join an Aion legion. It was common in other games, but certainly not here.

Eventually because you didn't figure out the purpose of the text. I can for example quote tons of text to you where people complain that they're not invited for anything just like you can check out the threads in this subforum which lack essential information often (like the faction for example).
I don't know where you work or in which country - but here CVs include mostly work experience, the degree from school/university and some additional skills (languages, interests) - and basic information. I can assure you that no one in Aion is interested in the amount of children or your date of birth if they want to add you for an instance party. At least I hope so.


You can't always rely on recommendations nowadays - at least not in Aion. That may have worked ages ago on Vehalla where everybody knew everybody and it might work as well on bigger servers if they know you anyway, but this is a cross-server section.


I don't know about you, but I don't hold any special feelings towards unknown people at all. They play the same game and I don't want to burden them since I respect the fact that they spend their free time playing with me. This is the reason why I don't laze around keeping them from succeeding or wasting their time because I don't read anything they wrote. Therefore I concentrate, use scrolls etc.
Does our opinion even differ widely?

To sum it up: We can certainly discuss things, but discussing something the thread isn't about... isn't helpful.

For example this isn't a thread where I try to defend the way people select their group members. I simply state that most of them do it like that and what they may expect.
Of course you can always state "I don't care what they want". As long as someone's attitude doesn't affect others it doesn't matter anyway.

The example was only referring to the forum (mostly if you open your own thread) or eventually social media/Discord. Of course if you reply to a thread (e.g. your Narakkalli firstruns back then) the reply should match the questions that were asked previously.

Therefore not everything is a "must". I know people tend to say "omg that post contains more than 3 sentences" = wall of text = "I can't read it, it might affect my sanity". I prefer long texts, others may not which is why I wouldn't say "you have to..." unless it's about the faction, level, server and class.


This is simply some input about how you can present yourself in a forum and what might be recommended. Certainly you won't write such an example ingame, but regarding cross-server alliances... you mostly don't find them ingame just like that either if it's about finding a static. In my case when I wanted to do Narakkalli months ago and didn't find anyone on my server I checked the forum(s), FB groups etc.
There I contacted some people and they asked me about name, experience, PvERanks profile etc.
While I found another alliance because I knew them for ages and helped them out for a while or in some other case I just shouted "Cleric LF Narakkalli static" and someone whispered me.
So there are different ways to find a group and some might be more or less successful. I'm not too fond of opening my own thread either, it's often better to reply to someone who tries to establish a new alliance (or fills up an old one).


I would add something like that to a self-presentation only. Rarely therefore.
This isn't about me. I ban such people from my TS sooner or later (or tell them that they're annoying - and while we're at it: I'm not a man - I don't care about not being manly enough).
After playing Aion for quite some time I figured that most people tend to avoid confrontations. They rather ignore someone or won't take them anymore in the future. Why bother if they don't care about the person itself anyway?
Considering this it's simply an advice that I made.


It's simply a collection of hints that may improve someone's chances/situations. Certainly not everything applies to everyone and it might mostly concern people who don't have too many connections on their servers yet (or not anymore).


What are you afraid of? That people add "I'm Elyos" instead of "I play Aion" to their threads?
In my first game it was normal to write down a long text to apply for a guild. In Aion guilds mostly recruit (indirectly) ingame while in other games you'll find lots of shouts. It differs a lot which is why "this is how a game should be" doesn't work and is indeed rather subjective. I simply hope that people one day will think twice before they apply for a group or open their own thread to look for a group. I didn't think it was necessary though to point out exactly things like "ofc you don't tell them about your shoe size if they asked you ingame how much atk you have".
Considering I'm realistic I'll predict that hardly anything will change.

I'll show you an example from a Discord-Channel for the sake of finding a static though:

Name: Class Z, Item level XYZ looks for a nice static which might assist me from dungeon XYZU onwards, because I wasn't able to gather much experience yet. I'm open to criticism and capable of learning new stuff quickly. Server D.

My translation skills aren't that great, but it's just a short text with all information necessary (which ofc depend on the game (or the request)).
Now you may check any thread in this section and you'll find similar posts. Some of them lack important information though such as the faction. Just like there are thread where people state that they have issues being accepted. All of these things along with personal experiences from the last years have been summed up in the initial post.