PvE Narakalli EM Ranger requirements

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  • t0re wrote:

    i love how u calculate the sharpen from minimum possible no crits no pve atk no nothing and then u calculate explosive with everything possible up
    @nay jsut leave him dream ;\
    @Desolator i dont know if u meant it or not but it sounds rude how u wrote that reply to him
    Lol, just lol.
    65 dmg with my gear ill get but i gave 200 as example for especially for the short-sighted ppl. 65* 1.8 (crit modife bow was as i remember) = 117. But u love how I calculate :D OKEEEEY
    U wonna more simple exaple? too hard for u? Okey, I am in good mood so ill give another exaple, more stupid as u wish :D
    Some mob, little copy of Piton lol, need 180 sec to kill him or "some ranger kill him everytime with 180 sec"(duuude its exaple)
    Explosive arrow 18 sec CD so we shot 10 times. With my not good gear I do 6.872 dmg if not crit but with FC and 12.766 if crit with FC. I even took my numbers for exaple and don't touching good geared players from pve ranks. My crit chance from that skill (pve ranks said) is 51.04% . Five hits crit and five hits not crit
    65 dmg I getting from stigma. I am not so pro to do 36 hits every 18 sec (bad ping, delay etc) but for U ill give more dmg as I can get from that stigma
    180 sec *2 = 360 hits ill do
    360*65= 23400 clear profit from that useless stigma to me
    Explsive arrow 6872*5 + 12766*5. Clear profit 98190 if I not use shty sharpen arrow and use explosive.

    If u want talk about "where other skills, where crit chance, where move bonus, where mob phys def, bonus pve, bla bla bla" - u can calculate by yourself, Do something as a member of discussion, not just talk your inappropriate remarks and prove what I am wrong.
    U said to nay - just leave him dream but except gy solidarity I dont see anything what can justify you

    Do I care how it sounds? No, I dont care how it sounds. I didnt offtop like u both
  • seems like i'm going to discuss even tho i said i wouldn't... am i not a hella nice person?

    Desolator wrote:

    and how u are good in pvp (vs other classes)

    haven't mentioned pvp even once, but okay

    Desolator wrote:

    That fact is - dmg from that stigma not worth and thats not hard to calculate.

    yeah, well that's just, like, your opinion, man. definitely not a fact

    Desolator wrote:

    U dont see reason for discussing but did u discuss something with me before? I asked u and u told "trust me". In what country that called discussion?

    you asked and i answered. i'm pretty sure that's something people would call a conversation. also, i didn't just say "trust me", i compared sharpen arrows with bow of blessing, which made the value of sharpen arrows absolutely obvious.

    Desolator wrote:

    pm if u change your mind - start with tests and clear evidence without bla bla

    the only bla bla i see comes from you, because your calculation is crap, just like @t0re said.
    don't think you are smarter than everybody else while making such obvious mistakes

    honestly, i don't even know if you are trolling or not. but i feel a bit sorry for you if you aren't
  • Desolator wrote:

    nay wrote:

    Desolator wrote:

    That fact is - dmg from that stigma not worth and thats not hard to calculate.
    yeah, well that's just, like, your opinion, man. definitely not a fact
    again bla bla and demagogy. Same mistake as before. Not fact - SO GIVE ME A FACT. As I remember - i ask it with firt my post. And in fact i mean numbers, proves, tests.
    i've answered every single one of your questions in post #12 and it's not my problem if you can't comprehend what you've read
  • t0re wrote:

    did u jsut read my post before ?
    i guess u do not understand u'd use ANY other ranger skill instead of the explosive, not just skip hitting anything in this moment
    what u want? some discussion where u protect some Nay what cant prove his words? Or u want calculate and tests something by yourself? Why u talk about other skills if that stigma gives dmg from weapon like manastones? U want same test with agonizing arrow what do 25k dmg max and 15k dmg min? Only 3 slots for hight stigmas u know. And choice if gale, explosive, agonizing and sharp. Raging wind in pve useless coz +2 sec CD and a little lower dmg than explosive.
    Ye, i dont understand wtf u doing here if u are not a ranger and why the hell u protect nay (without any tests and only with bla bla) or staying on his side. Reason?

    nay wrote:

    Desolator wrote:

    nay wrote:

    Desolator wrote:

    That fact is - dmg from that stigma not worth and thats not hard to calculate.
    yeah, well that's just, like, your opinion, man. definitely not a fact
    again bla bla and demagogy. Same mistake as before. Not fact - SO GIVE ME A FACT. As I remember - i ask it with firt my post. And in fact i mean numbers, proves, tests.
    i've answered every single one of your questions in post #12 and it's not my problem if you can't comprehend what you've read
    so your evidence is "sharp arrows good coz blessing bow good", ye? And i saying what even with blessing bow that sharp arrow stigma useless coz with other dmg stigma u get MORE DMG

    20%+10%
    130+65=195. In my example I used 200

    ill tell even more - sharp arrows stigma was useless at 2.0, 2.5,3.0, 3.5, 4.0-5.0, 5.0+ etc.
    stigma for mazahists
    Not fair from my side talk about that stigma at 2.0-3.0 coz of numbers of slots for stigmas but nvm
  • since u're acting like that could u provide video , or dps session or something like that to give me that "evidence" coz aparently i didnt test.
    and for your info i am not protecting nay, in cause u cant read i didnt say he's right either i said that the outcome would be same.
  • you know, @Desolator, i'm not playing anymore, which is why i can't make any tests anymore (doesn't mean i haven't made any before)
    but you seem like you're still playing, so why don't you just equip that stigma and test it? that would be the easiest solution.


    ^this is what i wanted to post about 20 minutes ago, but sadly, my pc crashed as i clicked on submit (even my pc is sick of your... 'stuff', hi Sita)
    meanwhile you said you won't do any tests, because bla bla, which makes you either a troll or... 'not so intelligent' (hi Sita)
  • nay wrote:

    you know, @Desolator, i'm not playing anymore, which is why i can't make any tests anymore (doesn't mean i haven't made any before)
    but you seem like you're still playing, so why don't you just equip that stigma and test it? that would be the easiest solution.
    ou, nice brainless idea :D (do not answer for words and transfer responsibilities to an opponent).
    Ill do tests when I not sure in something. But I dont need to do tests special for u or somebody else. At this moment I dont need to do tests coz that situation very simple where u see numbers and make conclusion (description of skills). And main thing - that wasnt me who said lie in advice ;)
    So, easiest solution is- when u cant protect your words u must acknowledge and apologize. Or u still can try and show how the hell that stigma 10% of weapon dmg better than skill with a big dmg. For me its be like achievement of the year.
    Trust me,dude

    ps: and about your tests what u did "before" - u can tell us, or better tell just me how u did it and what u get :D I even dont need specifics numbers of skills, hits, time what u waste, what program u used. Just important details how u make conclusion what that stigma not useless (especially at this patch when for 65 dmg no need waste 13 manaslots)

    and I am not a Sita or wtf u tried to tell me or to hint

    The post was edited 3 times, last by Desolator ().

  • Desolator wrote:

    t0re wrote:

    i love how u calculate the sharpen from minimum possible no crits no pve atk no nothing and then u calculate explosive with everything possible up
    @nay jsut leave him dream ;\
    @Desolator i dont know if u meant it or not but it sounds rude how u wrote that reply to him
    Lol, just lol.65 dmg with my gear ill get but i gave 200 as example for especially for the short-sighted ppl. 65* 1.8 (crit modife bow was as i remember) = 117. But u love how I calculate :D OKEEEEY
    U wonna more simple exaple? too hard for u? Okey, I am in good mood so ill give another exaple, more stupid as u wish :D
    Some mob, little copy of Piton lol, need 180 sec to kill him or "some ranger kill him everytime with 180 sec"(duuude its exaple)
    Explosive arrow 18 sec CD so we shot 10 times. With my not good gear I do 6.872 dmg if not crit but with FC and 12.766 if crit with FC. I even took my numbers for exaple and don't touching good geared players from pve ranks. My crit chance from that skill (pve ranks said) is 51.04% . Five hits crit and five hits not crit
    65 dmg I getting from stigma. I am not so pro to do 36 hits every 18 sec (bad ping, delay etc) but for U ill give more dmg as I can get from that stigma
    180 sec *2 = 360 hits ill do
    360*65= 23400 clear profit from that useless stigma to me
    Explsive arrow 6872*5 + 12766*5. Clear profit 98190 if I not use shty sharpen arrow and use explosive.

    If u want talk about "where other skills, where crit chance, where move bonus, where mob phys def, bonus pve, bla bla bla" - u can calculate by yourself, Do something as a member of discussion, not just talk your inappropriate remarks and prove what I am wrong.
    U said to nay - just leave him dream but except gy solidarity I dont see anything what can justify you

    Do I care how it sounds? No, I dont care how it sounds. I didnt offtop like u both
    Your math is wrong. Sharpen arrows is toggle(passive) skill so you need to take extra skill use into consideration.

    e.g. Gale Arrow (base dmg 465), Explosive Arrow (base dmg 1348)

    18hits/18s SS + Gale Arrow -nocrit (every 18s) 3min: 180*65 + 465 x 10 = 16350
    36hits/18s SS + Gale Arrow -nocrit (every 18s) 3min: 360*65 + 465 x 10 = 28050
    Explosive Arrow (every 18s) 3min: 1348*5 + (1348*1.8)*5 = 18872

    The post was edited 4 times, last by [NICK]chel ().

  • t0re wrote:

    did u jsut read my post before ?
    i guess u do not understand u'd use ANY other ranger skill instead of the explosive, not just skip hitting anything in this moment
    @t0re some people think they are sick players since release of the game and will never change their mind

    Desolator wrote:

    t0re wrote:

    did u jsut read my post before ?
    i guess u do not understand u'd use ANY other ranger skill instead of the explosive, not just skip hitting anything in this moment
    what u want? some discussion where u protect some Nay what cant prove his words? Or u want calculate and tests something by yourself? Why u talk about other skills if that stigma gives dmg from weapon like manastones? U want same test with agonizing arrow what do 25k dmg max and 15k dmg min? Only 3 slots for hight stigmas u know. And choice if gale, explosive, agonizing and sharp. Raging wind in pve useless coz +2 sec CD and a little lower dmg than explosive.Ye, i dont understand wtf u doing here if u are not a ranger and why the hell u protect nay (without any tests and only with bla bla) or staying on his side. Reason?

    Desolator wrote:

    t0re wrote:

    i love how u calculate the sharpen from minimum possible no crits no pve atk no nothing and then u calculate explosive with everything possible up
    @nay jsut leave him dream ;\
    @Desolator i dont know if u meant it or not but it sounds rude how u wrote that reply to him
    Lol, just lol.65 dmg with my gear ill get but i gave 200 as example for especially for the short-sighted ppl. 65* 1.8 (crit modife bow was as i remember) = 117. But u love how I calculate :D OKEEEEY
    U wonna more simple exaple? too hard for u? Okey, I am in good mood so ill give another exaple, more stupid as u wish :D
    Some mob, little copy of Piton lol, need 180 sec to kill him or "some ranger kill him everytime with 180 sec"(duuude its exaple)
    Explosive arrow 18 sec CD so we shot 10 times. With my not good gear I do 6.872 dmg if not crit but with FC and 12.766 if crit with FC. I even took my numbers for exaple and don't touching good geared players from pve ranks. My crit chance from that skill (pve ranks said) is 51.04% . Five hits crit and five hits not crit
    65 dmg I getting from stigma. I am not so pro to do 36 hits every 18 sec (bad ping, delay etc) but for U ill give more dmg as I can get from that stigma
    180 sec *2 = 360 hits ill do
    360*65= 23400 clear profit from that useless stigma to me
    Explsive arrow 6872*5 + 12766*5. Clear profit 98190 if I not use shty sharpen arrow and use explosive.

    If u want talk about "where other skills, where crit chance, where move bonus, where mob phys def, bonus pve, bla bla bla" - u can calculate by yourself, Do something as a member of discussion, not just talk your inappropriate remarks and prove what I am wrong.
    U said to nay - just leave him dream but except gy solidarity I dont see anything what can justify you

    Do I care how it sounds? No, I dont care how it sounds. I didnt offtop like u both
    So let's start i do this all on your arguments cause I really have no Idea about anything for a ranger. @Erufuun we need your statistics.

    First of all we take a look at this file:
    aionpveranks.com/Session/65308/show#
    488hits in the whole fight.
    20explosive arrows.
    Without explosive arrows 468 hits.

    For the next step we take a fallusha enhanced bow +25 seems kinda normal what i heared for a ranger main and a fallusha enhanced bow underfuse which gives me 698 bow attack dmg.
    698 * 0.1 = 69.8 seems nice right? Let's take 50% crit chance and what you wrote 1.8 multiplier since I have no idea about the ranger multiplier.
    (69.8*5+69.9*1.8*5)/10 = 97.81
    So let's take the 488hits and give them the bonus dmg.
    488 * 97.81 = 47731
    vs
    explosive arrows 20 * 10483 = 209660
    but we are not done here since we got space for another 20hits let's take the avg dmg of all the skills he does - explosive arrow dmg.
    468-133(aa) = 335skills

    4057508-(779138(aa)+209658(explosive arrow)) = 3068712
    3068712/335 = 9160,33
    9160.33 * 20 = 183206.6

    So let's compare now:
    explosive arrow 209660
    vs
    47731 + 183206.6 = 230937.6

    So Sharpen Arrow wins the race actually if I take your calculation for sharpen arrows(I think It's wrong @Erufuun)
  • [NICK]chel wrote:

    Your math is wrong. Sharpen arrows is toggle(passive) skill so you need to take extra skill use into consideration.
    e.g. Gale Arrow (base dmg 465), Explosive Arrow (base dmg 1348)

    18hits/18s SS + Gale Arrow -nocrit (every 18s) 3min: 180*65 + 465 x 10 = 16350
    36hits/18s SS + Gale Arrow -nocrit (every 18s) 3min: 360*65 + 465 x 10 = 28050
    Explosive Arrow (every 18s) 3min: 1348*5 + (1348*1.8)*5 = 18872
    we dont talk about players skill as a player and his skill rotaion. Somebody too lazy, somebody too noob - they have some habit. They dont want more skills on panel and thats why they choose passive skill.
    Something wrong with u man
    gale arrow base dmg 867-1015 and multicast two times which means total (exaggerated) 1734-2030 and 7 seconds CD. Calculate and try again later :wacko:
  • Desolator wrote:

    [NICK]chel wrote:

    Your math is wrong. Sharpen arrows is toggle(passive) skill so you need to take extra skill use into consideration.e.g. Gale Arrow (base dmg 465), Explosive Arrow (base dmg 1348)

    18hits/18s SS + Gale Arrow -nocrit (every 18s) 3min: 180*65 + 465 x 10 = 16350
    36hits/18s SS + Gale Arrow -nocrit (every 18s) 3min: 360*65 + 465 x 10 = 28050
    Explosive Arrow (every 18s) 3min: 1348*5 + (1348*1.8)*5 = 18872
    we dont talk about players skill as a player and his skill rotaion. Somebody too lazy, somebody too noob - they have some habit. They dont want more skills on panel and thats why they choose passive skill.Something wrong with u man
    gale arrow base dmg 867-1015 and multicast two times which means total (exaggerated) 1734-2030 and 7 seconds CD. Calculate and try again later :wacko:
    Ignore my math then if you don't like it, but use logic. In your math the person who doesn't have Explosive Arrow equipped does nothing for 7 seconds. (based on motion value of 0.7s).
  • Desolator wrote:

    [NICK]chel wrote:

    Your math is wrong. Sharpen arrows is toggle(passive) skill so you need to take extra skill use into consideration.e.g. Gale Arrow (base dmg 465), Explosive Arrow (base dmg 1348)

    18hits/18s SS + Gale Arrow -nocrit (every 18s) 3min: 180*65 + 465 x 10 = 16350
    36hits/18s SS + Gale Arrow -nocrit (every 18s) 3min: 360*65 + 465 x 10 = 28050
    Explosive Arrow (every 18s) 3min: 1348*5 + (1348*1.8)*5 = 18872
    we dont talk about players skill as a player and his skill rotaion. Somebody too lazy, somebody too noob - they have some habit. They dont want more skills on panel and thats why they choose passive skill.Something wrong with u man
    gale arrow base dmg 867-1015 and multicast two times which means total (exaggerated) 1734-2030 and 7 seconds CD. Calculate and try again later :wacko:
    I think you really won't understand it right?
  • Talentfreiermage wrote:

    So let's start i do this all on your arguments cause I really have no Idea about anything for a ranger. @Erufuun we need your statistics.
    First of all we take a look at this file:
    aionpveranks.com/Session/65308/show#
    488hits in the whole fight.
    20explosive arrows.
    Without explosive arrows 468 hits.

    For the next step we take a fallusha enhanced bow +25 seems kinda normal what i heared for a ranger main and a fallusha enhanced bow underfuse which gives me 698 bow attack dmg.
    698 * 0.1 = 69.8 seems nice right? Let's take 50% crit chance and what you wrote 1.8 multiplier since I have no idea about the ranger multiplier.
    (69.8*5+69.9*1.8*5)/10 = 97.81
    So let's take the 488hits and give them the bonus dmg.
    488 * 97.81 = 47731
    vs
    explosive arrows 20 * 10483 = 209660
    but we are not done here since we got space for another 20hits let's take the avg dmg of all the skills he does - explosive arrow dmg.
    468-133(aa) = 335skills

    4057508-(779138(aa)+209658(explosive arrow)) = 3068712
    3068712/335 = 9160,33
    9160.33 * 20 = 183206.6

    So let's compare now:
    explosive arrow 209660
    vs
    47731 + 183206.6 = 230937.6

    So Sharpen Arrow wins the race actually if I take your calculation for sharpen arrows(I think It's wrong @Erufuun)
    Ou so funny. Well, first at all - we dont know did he focus to use explosive arrow every 18 sec.
    Then I see how dmg bonus from sharp arrow was defeated by total dmg from explosive arrow. But u didnt make conclusion and u start count something.

    Dont understand a little what is "we got space for..." but ok. U took all dmg from session, all dmg from auto attack hits, dmg from explosive skill and u find total dmg from all skills. Why u did it? I took some peace of mind from my stock and continued reading. From all that dmg from other skills u took avg dmg. Why u did it? Again i moved to my stock :D Then u took that avg dmg and multiplied by twenty attacks. Why u did it? At this moment my stock allready empty :D And then u took that avg dmg from all skills except auto attack and explosive arrow to show me what? To show me what avg dmg from all other skills more than total dmg from explosive arrow? Are u certified specialist? :D
    U tell sharp arrow wins and I asking u
    1) 47731>209660
    2) 47731<209660
    dont make it fast, take a breath, relax and answer me





    Talentfreiermage wrote:

    some people think they are sick players since release of the game and will never change their mind
    this is your greeting or biography?

    [NICK]chel wrote:

    Ignore my math then if you don't like it, but use logic. In your math the person who doesn't have Explosive Arrow equipped does nothing for 7 seconds. (based on motion value of 0.7s).
    I ignoring mistakes from start like base dmg and CD of skill

    Sirkka wrote:

    Desolator wrote:

    Somebody too lazy, somebody too noob - they have some habit.
    So all rangers dealing dmg are considered noobs?
    .. and where did the Agonising Arrow go?
    I do not see the point of comparing sharp arrow vs agonizing. If less dmg from explosive arrow much better than 10% trash that means more dmg skill with a little more cd better too

    Dont understand first question. Did I tell this? or u just not understand me

    The post was edited 1 time, last by Desolator ().

  • Desolator wrote:

    [NICK]chel wrote:

    Ignore my math then if you don't like it, but use logic. In your math the person who doesn't have Explosive Arrow equipped does nothing for 7 seconds. (based on motion value of 0.7s).
    I ignoring mistakes from start like base dmg and CD of skill
    Good, so now we are on same page. What does the guy who doesn't have explosive arrow equipped do when the other guy is using explosive arrow?
  • Desolator wrote:

    Talentfreiermage wrote:

    So let's start i do this all on your arguments cause I really have no Idea about anything for a ranger. @Erufuun we need your statistics.First of all we take a look at this file:
    aionpveranks.com/Session/65308/show#
    488hits in the whole fight.
    20explosive arrows.
    Without explosive arrows 468 hits.

    For the next step we take a fallusha enhanced bow +25 seems kinda normal what i heared for a ranger main and a fallusha enhanced bow underfuse which gives me 698 bow attack dmg.
    698 * 0.1 = 69.8 seems nice right? Let's take 50% crit chance and what you wrote 1.8 multiplier since I have no idea about the ranger multiplier.
    (69.8*5+69.9*1.8*5)/10 = 97.81
    So let's take the 488hits and give them the bonus dmg.
    488 * 97.81 = 47731
    vs
    explosive arrows 20 * 10483 = 209660
    but we are not done here since we got space for another 20hits let's take the avg dmg of all the skills he does - explosive arrow dmg.
    468-133(aa) = 335skills

    4057508-(779138(aa)+209658(explosive arrow)) = 3068712
    3068712/335 = 9160,33
    9160.33 * 20 = 183206.6

    So let's compare now:
    explosive arrow 209660
    vs
    47731 + 183206.6 = 230937.6

    So Sharpen Arrow wins the race actually if I take your calculation for sharpen arrows(I think It's wrong @Erufuun)
    Ou so funny. Well, first at all - we dont know did he focus to use explosive arrow every 18 sec.Then I see how dmg bonus from sharp arrow was defeated by total dmg from explosive arrow. But u didnt make conclusion and u start count something.

    Dont understand a little what is "we got space for..." but ok. U took all dmg from session, all dmg from auto attack hits, dmg from explosive skill and u find total dmg from all skills. Why u did it? I took some peace of mind from my stock and continued reading. From all that dmg from other skills u took avg dmg. Why u did it? Again i moved to my stock :D Then u took that avg dmg and multiplied by twenty attacks. Why u did it? At this moment my stock allready empty :D And then u took that avg dmg from all skills except auto attack and explosive arrow to show me what? To show me what avg dmg from all other skills more than total dmg from explosive arrow? Are u certified specialist? :D
    U tell sharp arrow wins and I asking u
    1) 47731>209660
    2) 47731<209660
    dont make it fast, take a breath, relax and answer me
    Dude first of all I would like to ask you to use your brain while reading ty

    So now:

    So let's start i do this all on your arguments cause I really have no Idea about anything for a ranger. @Erufuun we need your statistics.
    First of all we take a look at this file:
    aionpveranks.com/Session/65308/show#
    488hits in the whole fight.
    20explosive arrows hits.
    Without explosive arrows 468 hits.
    For the next step we take a fallusha enhanced bow +25 seems kinda normal what i heared for a ranger main and a fallusha enhanced bow underfuse which gives me 698 bow attack dmg.
    698 * 0.1 = 69.8 seems nice right? Let's take 50% crit chance and what you wrote 1.8 multiplier since I have no idea about the ranger multiplier.
    (69.8*5+69.9*1.8*5)/10 = 97.81

    You understand what I did until now ?!?!?!?

    So let's take the 488hits and give them the bonus dmg.
    488 * 97.81 = 47731
    vs
    explosive arrows 20 * 10483 = 209660

    You understand what I did until now ?!?!?!?

    but we are not done here since we got space for another 20hits since 20hits from explosive fall away. Let's take the avg dmg of all the skills he does - explosive arrow dmg.
    468-133(aa) = 335skills // I calculated the amount of Skills he used I took all hits 488 - 20 for explosive(calculated above) - the amount of aa he did.
    4057508-(779138(aa)+209658(explosive arrow)) = 3068712 // I calculated the dmg dealt without explosive arrow & aa
    3068712/335 = 9160,33 // I calculated the avg dmg his skills do excluding explosive arrow
    9160.33 * 20 = 183206.6 // I multiplied the avg dmg per skill with 20 to get around the dmg you would get from skills you can use instead of the 20explosive arrow
    So let's compare now:
    explosive arrow 209660
    vs
    47731 + 183206.6 = 230937.6 // I added to the raw sharpen arrow bonus the dmg from the 20extra skills you can use to get the dmg gain from this stigma
    So Sharpen Arrow wins the race actually if I take your calculation for sharpen arrows(I think It's wrong @Erufuun)

    After all I took a deep breath like ya suggested to write:
    230937.6(sharpen arrows) > 209660(explosive arrow)
    Please think about the post with your brain before awnsering. That would save me some time to explain it especially for you 20more times thanks